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	<title>Comments on: Insider series: the value of stock market research, part II</title>
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		<title>By: A Lap Of The Blogs : WhereDoesAllMyMoneyGo.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Lap Of The Blogs : WhereDoesAllMyMoneyGo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thicken My Wallet hosted a two part Insider Series on his blog. This time he was asking Brad from Triaging My Way to Financial Success and myself about the value of stock market research. Part I here, and Part II here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Thicken My Wallet hosted a two part Insider Series on his blog. This time he was asking Brad from Triaging My Way to Financial Success and myself about the value of stock market research. Part I here, and Part II here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nurseb911</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nurseb911</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shank makes a good points,

I have friends on both sides of the buy/sell side argument so writing any critical of the industry didn&#039;t go over well with them from a professional perspective (we&#039;re all still friends) :)

What I&#039;m taking a strong position with are the rampant conflicts of interest (which I&#039;m sure Shank is very aware of) that exist which aren&#039;t something that filter down to retail or institutional investors who are paying directly or indirectly for the information.  What we see on TV or in the news is a &quot;dumbed down&quot; version of what many analysts understand about a company or sector.  If they went into too much detail people would go cross-eyed and switch the channel - they say what they say because that&#039;s what sells.

You don&#039;t have to be brilliant or at the top of your class to be a successful investor.  I&#039;ve lost count on the number of times I&#039;ve discussed a company with a peer and they&#039;re so FOS in their $2500 suit that they forget the significance of gross margins and qualitative factors.  That was my motivation for writing about margins in my Coca-Cola analysis.  When you look at them the KO competitive advantage stares you straight in the face regardless of what Pepsico attempts to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shank makes a good points,</p>
<p>I have friends on both sides of the buy/sell side argument so writing any critical of the industry didn&#8217;t go over well with them from a professional perspective (we&#8217;re all still friends) <img src='http://www.thickenmywallet.com/blog/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>What I&#8217;m taking a strong position with are the rampant conflicts of interest (which I&#8217;m sure Shank is very aware of) that exist which aren&#8217;t something that filter down to retail or institutional investors who are paying directly or indirectly for the information.  What we see on TV or in the news is a &#8220;dumbed down&#8221; version of what many analysts understand about a company or sector.  If they went into too much detail people would go cross-eyed and switch the channel &#8211; they say what they say because that&#8217;s what sells.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to be brilliant or at the top of your class to be a successful investor.  I&#8217;ve lost count on the number of times I&#8217;ve discussed a company with a peer and they&#8217;re so FOS in their $2500 suit that they forget the significance of gross margins and qualitative factors.  That was my motivation for writing about margins in my Coca-Cola analysis.  When you look at them the KO competitive advantage stares you straight in the face regardless of what Pepsico attempts to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Shank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morningstarr research isn&#039;t &quot;research&quot; in the context of this series. Research (sell-side since that is the only published research) would be research, if you&#039;re from Canada and it is published frmo the big 6 banks, and boutique shops like Genuity, GMP, Blackmont, Haywood, Vertais etc.

S&amp;P, DBRS, Morningstarr is not included in that group as the research they publish is generally amaturish in nature - as the commenter above pointed out. 

I disagree with this statement: &quot;The DIYers, many of whom are bloggers or commentators, probably have a better handle on the company than the analysts do since they are “normal people” and not subject to glass tower syndrome which Brad alluded to...&quot;

I doubt many personal finance bloggers have a better handle on the company. The range and depth of an analysts understanding would surprise many. This doesn&#039;t always translate into making correct buy/sell calls, but think of the smartest people you&#039;ve met and then the top of the class of those people. Those are the analysts you&#039;ll find at the big 6 banks. While some bloggers could rival those analysts, I wouldn&#039;t say many of the bloggers etc. would be better analysts. It&#039;s not as easy as it looks and you&#039;d be amazed at the minute details you get questioned on. Everything from a particular link or # in a financial statement, to the accounting methods, to management strategy in a competitor you don&#039;t even cover, to the macro picture, to potential takeover/M&amp;A candidates, to shifting consumer habits, to changing input costs of the inputs into the costs that the company must bear (i.e. the price of tolume (sp) that goes into mattress foam which is an input cost to a matress manufacture) and so on and so on......most people with non-analyst based jobs would not be able to regualary stay on top and understand the depth of all this material. I say most, not all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morningstarr research isn&#8217;t &#8220;research&#8221; in the context of this series. Research (sell-side since that is the only published research) would be research, if you&#8217;re from Canada and it is published frmo the big 6 banks, and boutique shops like Genuity, GMP, Blackmont, Haywood, Vertais etc.</p>
<p>S&amp;P, DBRS, Morningstarr is not included in that group as the research they publish is generally amaturish in nature &#8211; as the commenter above pointed out. </p>
<p>I disagree with this statement: &#8220;The DIYers, many of whom are bloggers or commentators, probably have a better handle on the company than the analysts do since they are “normal people” and not subject to glass tower syndrome which Brad alluded to&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I doubt many personal finance bloggers have a better handle on the company. The range and depth of an analysts understanding would surprise many. This doesn&#8217;t always translate into making correct buy/sell calls, but think of the smartest people you&#8217;ve met and then the top of the class of those people. Those are the analysts you&#8217;ll find at the big 6 banks. While some bloggers could rival those analysts, I wouldn&#8217;t say many of the bloggers etc. would be better analysts. It&#8217;s not as easy as it looks and you&#8217;d be amazed at the minute details you get questioned on. Everything from a particular link or # in a financial statement, to the accounting methods, to management strategy in a competitor you don&#8217;t even cover, to the macro picture, to potential takeover/M&amp;A candidates, to shifting consumer habits, to changing input costs of the inputs into the costs that the company must bear (i.e. the price of tolume (sp) that goes into mattress foam which is an input cost to a matress manufacture) and so on and so on&#8230;&#8230;most people with non-analyst based jobs would not be able to regualary stay on top and understand the depth of all this material. I say most, not all.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul (aka augustabound)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul (aka augustabound)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great series TMW.  
As a subscriber to TMWTFF and on Brad&#039;s mailing list, I can attest to the point about his research being a steal.  It&#039;s more in depth than the Morningstar reports I&#039;ve seen. 
 
I always have it in the back of my mind when reading analysts research, &quot;OK, who&#039;s paying for you to write this?&quot; 
Most analysts reports are too rosy and focus too much on the upside and little on the downside.  
I&#039;ve heard at times that some analysts can be outted so to speak if they give a company a sell rating, especially if they are assigned to report on that company by their firm.
All the more reason to follow the above advice of TMWTFF, WDAMMG and TMW.

Good luck Preet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great series TMW.<br />
As a subscriber to TMWTFF and on Brad&#8217;s mailing list, I can attest to the point about his research being a steal.  It&#8217;s more in depth than the Morningstar reports I&#8217;ve seen. </p>
<p>I always have it in the back of my mind when reading analysts research, &#8220;OK, who&#8217;s paying for you to write this?&#8221;<br />
Most analysts reports are too rosy and focus too much on the upside and little on the downside.<br />
I&#8217;ve heard at times that some analysts can be outted so to speak if they give a company a sell rating, especially if they are assigned to report on that company by their firm.<br />
All the more reason to follow the above advice of TMWTFF, WDAMMG and TMW.</p>
<p>Good luck Preet!</p>
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